little-raphael:

hr-stasistuff:

Reminder that the Irish remain justified in their resistance to the English in Northern Ireland.

” bastardlybrendan:

Reminder that the armed resistance movement in Northern Ireland is now a tiny minority and the majority of Northern Ireland are of the opinion that they…

“Are you kidding me, you’re from Northern Ireland? I should not have to tell you any of this! Where are you from, Bangor West? Get out of here, bourgeois scum!”
I was debating with myself how to reply to this considering that it is so ridiculous at some points that it doesn’t even need rebuttal, but I’ll give a quick shot anyway. Edit: It’s pretty long, sorry.

You don’t speak for Republicans or Nationalists or people who want Northern Ireland to remain in the UK. There is a huge variety of reasoning on both sides and you speak for yourself. So you can speculate all you want on the fact that a United Ireland is a minority view in Northern Ireland, it does not change the fact that people have their own reasoning for it to remain in the UK and they are the majority. I could claim they want it because the NHS is the bee’s knees, that doesn’t make my statement true without evidence.

Citation Needed for your claim regarding 13 million pounds being given to Loyalist Paramilitaries. A number like that in that sort of statement screams misinformation, where someone has taken compensation statistics or some other form of financial payout and basically painted it for their own propaganda purposes. I’ve seen no articles stating that sort of exchange took place last year and I tend to follow current affairs quite closely.

Collusion has always been a widely proven thing in the Troubles, there’s this thing that humans have where they are corruptible and have their own agendas and collusion was a really scummy thing that the British government took part in during the Troubles. With the huge decline in Loyalist paramilitary activity in terms of sectarian killing seen on the scale of the troubles, collusion is pretty much non-existent now as there’s nothing to even manipulate other than street level thugs with no jobs (you can’t prove that it has taken place after what has already been proven from the Troubles). This is of course ignoring the scumbag Gardai that decided to let certain Republican gentlemen bunny hop their way over the border to escape the RUC or Army. But sure, it’s just the English that were being the puppet masters.

The rest of your response regarding the police and particularly the PSNI is essentially just rambling shite with no actual points or evidence other than accusations about serving some magical bourgeois class for the Irish and English and being anti-nationalist. We’ll just go ahead and ignore that Operation Dulcet was specially set up for the loyalist flag protests and has arrested the majority of the flag protesters’ leadership. Both sides claim that the PSNI has a special agenda against them. It’s that inconvenient side effect of breaking the law. You claim it’s to silence dissent yet peaceful protests that actually adhere to the law go untouched by the PSNI. People not being convicted for violent crimes is an issue of evidence and prosecution, not an issue of the police serving some upper class. The police do not handle convictions, they handle arrest and investigation. More often than not the local community of paramilitary members will defend them and protect them from prosecution. I’m sure you’re more than aware of “PSNI NO GO ZONE” being spray painted in certain areas and the heightened chance of cars being bricked or petrol bombed.
Also I loved your point about the 50:50 recruitment where you brought up black people in America since you have absolutely nothing to provide towards the 50:50 system (that is required by law). I’ll put it into this perspective: The Newsletter complained in 2010 about 8000 protestants being turned down by the police application process whilst a rise in Catholic applicants was seen. I myself applied at the age of 18 and was accepted and invited to begin the selection process. But I’m sure that was a token gesture to keep their insidious purposes hidden until they could brainwash me to protect and defend the upper class and oppress the working man.

British prime ministers are never elected. Prime Ministers have taken office because they were members of either the Commons or Lords, and either inherited a majority in the Commons or won more seats than the opposition in a general election. Stormont is not a hoax just because people vote for parties they want to, regardless of what wing those parties represent. I don’t even see what point you’re trying to make there: “everyone is voting for parties I don’t like, so it isn’t democracy”? You can hate the current political system all you want; people have the habit of voting for tribal parties out of bigoted fear and those parties are big fans of the divide because it keeps them getting elected, but in no way does that justify some sort of armed uprising. If you don’t like the party then don’t vote for it but that doesn’t entitle a minority to rebel and force their views on the majority just because the majority votes for those parties.The incompetence of politicians to agree on things isn’t a “hoax” assembly, it’s a representation of the divide in political opinion and representation. Northern Ireland has been a divided community for a long enough time for that to be obvious to someone who accuses me of being from West Bangor. I advise you do a sneaky wee bit of work experience with an MLA so you can actually get an idea of what it’s like.

The people who actually partook in an effort at “revolution” ended up going into government and abandoning the violent method, leaving that to thugs with delusions of grandeur who spend more time knee-capping drug dealers and leaving pipe bombs outside primary schools than actually doing anything good for the country they claim to love. I suppose 30 years of bombing civilians sort of abandons the idea of being the angry voice of “the people”.
There is no communist or far-left uprising or militancy in Northern Ireland and I very much doubt there will be. At least the Official IRA had the decency to get out of the troubles instead of slaughtering civilians and set up the Workers’ Party. In fact, the Irish Citizen Army seemed to have been the last paramilitary group that actually put socialism at the forefront of its agenda.

Next time you want to go ahead and question where I’m from just because I’m not dictated to by paranoia and speculation, make sure you actually have some form of valid point to make other than whining that you don’t like what the vast majority of the population likes. To be quite frank, if you’re still operating on the idea that it’s “Irish vs English”, I’d suggest you catch up a bit.

I’ll repeat my point that it is 2013, not 1969. Things have changed quite alot, regardless of how much you wish that the country was an Orwellian dystopia so your revolutionary dreams actually have a purpose. Humans don’t work on some special hivemind where they all adhere to the special process of oppressing the lower classes, they’re selfish individuals with their own agendas and I’d be confident to wager that more often than not police officers are just looking for an interesting job that’ll get them a decent house and food that isn’t Tesco Value chicken nuggets.

Regardless of all this, there’s still no point for an armed resistance other than for a minority to force their political beliefs on the majority and if you need to use violence to make people follow your ideals when there’s a decent enough democratic system to allow you to put those ideals forward; I advise you take a good look at what you view as oppression.